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You don't want American boots on the ground in Ukraine. That is

very understandable. I think where this discussion diverged is in the belief that the media always gets everything wrong and only gullible people believe the media.
In the Jan 6 riot, over140 Capitol Police officers were injured, and at least 6 people died as a result of that violence. We all saw the video of officers being horribly beaten. We all saw the photos of the gallows and noose built for VP Pence. They were running through the halls yelling for him, and he was only a few feet away. We all heard the sworn testimony of the police officers to the Jan 6 committee.

On the Russian connection- The Mueller investigation resulted in 37 indictments, app. 8 convictions in court, and app. 7 prison sentences. That's not a hoax, nor a media mistake. If you read at least the summary of the Mueller report, it will list factually all the evidence gathered.

On the Sandman incident and the incident at the border: Yes, the media initially reported that incorrectly. Then they had to retract it. Sometimes they are wrong - but more often than not, they are correct.
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Putin has put a bombardier in charge of the war. -- cswilliam 04/10/2022 1:48PM
  Do we put our boots on the ground? -- cswilliam 04/10/2022 7:49PM
  Not in my opinion at this juncture.... -- SamSpade 04/11/2022 4:13PM
  Re: Do we put our boots on the ground? -- Aussie Buff 04/11/2022 06:04AM
  No! -- buffalo30 04/10/2022 11:53PM
  Jesus - cheap shot, -- cswilliam 04/11/2022 01:02AM
  Good grief -- buffalo30 04/11/2022 10:43AM
  Defending that behavior? -- 84Buff 04/13/2022 08:39AM
  That is -- buffalo30 04/12/2022 12:19PM
  Reading back over what happened, it looks as if -- Buffs4Ever 04/12/2022 5:12PM
  Reading back -- buffalo30 04/13/2022 01:20AM
  Terrible, for sure, -- buffalo30 04/11/2022 10:12AM
  I agree with Sam, we give what they want and need -- BarkingDogBuff 04/10/2022 8:41PM
  Hank you ** -- cswilliam 04/10/2022 9:12PM

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