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This is first time I’ve really been upset with sonething you’ve said.

We simply cannot let him have this without getting major concessions that we want and he does not want, if we are going to have our noses rubbed into this pile of shit he has to be there publicly with us for the same damned humiliation.

This is not about the wall. This is about humiliating people like you and me, as our denigration is the source of joy to Trump and his base. This is about letting Trump preen proudly and smugly about how he delivered on this crappy promise based on so many lies. It is abhorrent to me to simply give him what he wants.

If we give him this- you and I will spend the years wwe have left watching this symbol of arrogance and racism - this memorial to a liar - be built. It will mark the end of our nation as you know it.

I am only willing to do this if we progressives gain something we want dearly, and Trump has very publicly opposed. Fix and fully fund the Affordable Care Act, and formally rename it Obamacare and give us immigration reform that gives a path to citizenship for all dreamers. He signs that bill he day he signs the bill authorizing the wall funding, and then we both have something we really want and the other doesn’t.

Short of that, giving up is letting the cultural south win the cultural civil war. If we had let the south leave - do you think we would really ever see them come back?
[Post edited by cswilliam at 01/10/2019 09:39AM]

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Posted: 01/10/2019 at 09:29AM


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